I'd just like to say thank you for not purging my account due to inactivity, I know a lot of other forums do that and I'd hate to lose my reg date here

Originally posted by Kyguy:

"I'd just like to say thank you for not purging my account due to inactivity, I know a lot of other forums do that and I'd hate to lose my reg date here "

WoW... haven't seen you in ages man!

(How's it going, etc. & are you still doing IRC @ #Windows95?)



* I know you've still gotta remember me, I do you... how's life, your journeys into this "art & science" of computing, etc.??

APK

HA! I knew i have seen you elsewhere in my travels

APK arent you an operator in the windows95 channel on dalnet?

Originally posted by ds3circuit:

"HA! I knew i have seen you elsewhere in my travels"

Wow... then, you've been online since "WAY BACK"...

I was totally IRC from 1994-1998, until around mid-1998 when I got into forums @ the old 3dfiles.com website...

(That website & its forums just took me away from IRC for a long stretch, 1998-1999 really, when I would only do IRC infrequently to say hello to old pals I had on it around 2000 was last time I was there iirc... maybe 2001 or so, not sure anymore!)

Originally posted by ds3circuit:

"APK arent you an operator in the windows95 channel on dalnet?"

LOL! Good question... not sure anymore!

(Had a bit of a disagreement with someone who tried to cause me some hassles from another website I used to mod/admin @, & they got the tail end of the tiger on that one... their site? Is just dead... & totally gone afaik, & don't really care to know. They asked me to mod/admin there from this site via PM mail, & I accepted it... but, one of that person's colleagues (neighbor & pal in real life) did something I HATE - Edit my posts, but worse, he lied about it, & I busted him on dates & the whole 9 yards... still, owner sided with him... I don't go for that, I had solid data from email dates vs. time of my posts being edited & that should have set it right in my favor... well, real life & real friendships carried more weight apparently!)

BUT, that was not enough & they tried to poison a relationship I had with the folks there on IRC as well as other things... their site caved in after I was gone anyhow. Literally, not saying I was their site or anything like that... but it sure went belly up after all this went on!

Well, on IRC though?

They did get the better of me it seems because I just gave up really & would not take any b.s.!

(All started on IRC because I kicked the person in question for idling (who was the mod from the dead site mentioned above who started coming to our IRC channel, & that one? One of the BEST their was/is - K. Marden Bey endorsed it as the "Official Help Channel" for Dalnet in fact))

I got kicked from ops/mod/admin for a week & nobody listened to my case about this person (who only showed up I am sure to annoy me, I am NOT stupid) idling in channel... which this person did & channel had rules about it, so I did use them to my advantage, rules ARE rules after all!)

Anyhow: When we had our weekly ops meet? Well, the ONE GUY I thought would side with me (channel founder & guy I would call my friend) did not, & I just said "Adios forever folks!"

I don't ask alot out of folks... but, when I give respect? I expect it back. When I wasn't given any, & DID follow the rules (Albeit to my advantage against a DEFINITE troublemaker?)... well, I got the "$heet end of the stick" there & did not like it!

End of strange tale... too bad! I was there from that IRC channel's inception nearly, & that is how it ended with them! Pity, I liked alot of the folks there too, many OLD pals from over the years.



BOTTOM LINE/ANSWER YOUR QUESTION - NO matter though... I may still have ops there, I don't know, but don't care to find out anymore even!

Why?

Forums on websites are better! Places like this one... imo, @ least!



APK

P.S.=> Whew... first time I have told that tale in years... now, you know! Did you used to go there? apk

Quite a story APK.....

I remember doing "tech support" as just a user, though quite sometime ago .... before the whole dal.net DOS attacks and the channel being no longer official. I was quite the newbie back then (memorizing IRQs, playing with NT 4 SP3, and using PICO for my mail instead of OL ) (Less of a newbie now ) I do recollect that the OPs and the voices were "high and mighty" with themselves *no offense*

I remember seeing ya there with others like Dr P, NTLDR, Chavo, GLMMR, etc etc. My apologies for dredging up nostalgia lane.

Funny you mention the drastic decrease in IRC. I dont believe I have fired up Klient or mIRC in over a year .....

We dont even allow IRC on our company networks ..... something about trojans using IRC bots to receive instructions

And about being online for a while .... lets say these were my connection jumps .... 2400 baud to 9600 to 10 Meg ethernet

Originally posted by ds3circuit:

"Quite a story APK....."

LOL, well... such as it is, hope you enjoyed it! It involved some "enemies" I made out here, but ones I proved to the site's owner involved that another op/mod/admin edited my posts AND LIED ABOUT IT ONTOP OF IT, & I did not like that...

So, that site owner sided with him instead anyhow, evidences I produced or not (neighbors/pals in real life is why I found out).

Well, where's his site now? GONE!... Yes, I have done that before, not proud of it, but I will get that "last laff", everytime.

Let's put it THIS way - Even if it takes me time to do it, or other various "machinations", I will get that last laff... I don't start it, but about finishing it? Well... let's leave it @ that & the results I have seen come out of messes like that one!

That's a BIG part of why I don't startup with folks in reallife, or online... "brick not hit back" kind of thinking!

(& Sometimes? It's not even ME that ends up doing it, but it does get done... sometimes, as I go into below, it's others like me!)

Originally posted by ds3circuit:

"I remember doing "tech support" as just a user, though quite sometime ago ...."

What was your username there? I have a pretty good memory from IRC & folks I met there!

(Even though lately it seems to be fading on details about stuff in this field... lol, there's TOO MUCH of it, & too many OS versions, let alone software introduced hassles & variations of spyware/malware/virus etc. in the mix now too... heck, look what XP SP#2 is doing to my apps even! I hope you answered that other post too, about that... I think I know what it is!)

Originally posted by ds3circuit:

"before the whole dal.net DOS attacks"

Yea... funny how those happened eh? lol...

(That's what you get when your network degenerates into an illegal filesharing system. You start messing with programmers? You get what you get... think about it - Who do you think did that to them, as well as the virii on Kazaa? The folks with whose livelyhood you are toying with & hurting... that's only speculation on my part, but... want to bet it's VERY accurate?)

Not to mention the utter disrespect & games I have seen played on folks on IRC... myself included, after I helped (literally) 1,000's of folks out there since that channel's premise was about that... just as I have tried to here & other forums too!

(& dude? Heck, I know I was right in the scenario I played out for you above as well as being 110% truthful to you about ALL issues in it as well... no reason to lie here!)

See, in my world? You can't live like a man (not a butt kissing wuss/weasel to be blunt about it) & not make enemies... nearly impossible!

Ah... anyhow!

Originally posted by ds3circuit:

" and the channel being no longer official."

Did they get that taken from them? Well, they've disintegrated then... that was their "Crowning Glory" & I was proud of it too, it used to be QUITE the channel & good in its first 3-4 years... until the 'bad stuff' started!

That's where I learned about how to "hack" systems online in fact... the #Linux channel, without fail, would come & make "war" on us each week for a year there or so... lol, in a way? Was FUN... you learned alot, & I even was "last man standing" a couple times!

Originally posted by ds3circuit:

"I was quite the newbie back then (memorizing IRQs, playing with NT 4 SP3, and using PICO for my mail instead of OL )"

LOL, you were around a LONG time then man... I used PINEMAIL on Unix (System V) when I first got into it!

Originally posted by ds3circuit:

"(Less of a newbie now )"

Far less, I will SOUNDLY second that... far from it actually!

Originally posted by ds3circuit:

"I do recollect that the OPs and the voices were "high and mighty" with themselves *no offense*"

That was sort of uncool... I never liked those that did that, & most of them were NOT that way... some were!

If anyone helped? I tried to get the opped... like Pilsbury for instance (good man, I met him RIGHT @ the end... good guy & knew his stuff even then).

Originally posted by ds3circuit:

"I remember seeing ya there with others like Dr P, NTLDR, Chavo, GLMMR, etc etc. My apologies for dredging up nostalgia lane."

NTLDR is a righteous person, one of my favs... started out as NOT such good pals initially, but in the end? He turned up a righteous guy & even helped me on my network protection docs URLS in my sig... good network engineer, bigtime!

Chivo I kind of know, but... well, didn't ever fully trust the guy to be honest - I didn't get a vibe from him that he liked me (I know, not the MOST scientific way to base things on, but I operate on it, alot... it's rarely wrong!)

GLMMR & DrP I think I remember... If DrP was also "Village Idiot"? Then he is WAY cool, by all means!

Originally posted by ds3circuit:

"Funny you mention the drastic decrease in IRC. I dont believe I have fired up Klient or mIRC in over a year ....."

Oh, IRC's cool, but dangerous. And, want to wager I was right on why above?

Originally posted by ds3circuit:

"We dont even allow IRC on our company networks ..... something about trojans using IRC bots to receive instructions "

Exactly... now, why on EARTH would you want to do that unless you got mistreated out there repeatedly... or, your livelyhood was being threatened by filesharing illegal on your work out there?

Plenty of that was going-down there, & the ops were NOT above it, trust me!

Originally posted by ds3circuit:

"And about being online for a while .... lets say these were my connection jumps .... 2400 baud to 9600 to 10 Meg ethernet"

LOL, you started RIGHT around when I did then online: Circa 1993-1994 I am guessing? Because 2400 baud was my first personal modem in fact... speed of it!



APK

Man you guys bring back some memories, I remember when I first joined a local ISP back in the day. One of the nice extra features of said dial-up was that you received telnet access

I was fascinated by what you could do sans a gui, PINE was my choice for both email and news, why, because It's Not ELM :lol

I even played around with connecting my beloved and by then dusty C64 with just a 1200 baud modem, telnet access worked liked a dream, picture the old 40-column display and see what I mean...

I went so far as to even reconnect my first modem, a 300 baud, pulse-dial, Taiwanese made POS, it even worked

Back On-Topic, Yes I second your opinion about Philip there, he's a very cool sysop, hey, can I still use that term now a days

Originally posted by jmmijo:

"Man you guys bring back some memories, I remember when I first joined a local ISP back in the day. One of the nice extra features of said dial-up was that you received telnet access "

Yup, but it's not me... it's Ds3Circuit here! Heh, Unix System V was my "baby" initially & I remember going thru 100's of systems via spawned processes "bouncing" system-to-system. No illegal crap like the stuff from "The Cuckoo's Nest" in which Richard Stallman's work was 'abused' (mainly because I would wager he didn't use stackchecks in his code, easiest method to protect against what was used - the FIRST known bufferoverflow!) to hack systems!

Good book - DO read it!

I truly DO highly recommend it to anyone who is a "nerd/geek/computer freak"... especially network engineers!

It will show you how computer security & logs (not just std. ones) can help you find an interloper... & I think only computer freaks can REALLY appreciate that book! I like the author's attitude most of all - "I am just a guy in this field!" more-or-less!

I would make it REQUIRED READING for any Comp. Sci. OR network engineer in fact were I an instructor. I may very well end up there one day, I am thinking about going for 3rd degree in it this year in fact....

ANYHOW!

Originally posted by ds3circuit:

"I was fascinated by what you could do sans a gui, PINE was my choice for both email and news, why, because It's Not ELM :lol"

You & I both... I recall hitting "BBS" (not DOS ones) on NIX that had 10,000 users @ once on them. Boggles the mind, but UNIX has some VERY cool things going for it... heck, it should - It's 30 years old, too bad they could not standardize on just ONE UNIX with the best features from Berkely & AT&T stuff, you know?

IMO? We should ALL be running SOMEKIND of unix now... & in a way, we really sort of do on NT-based Os' (sound like "heresy"? It's not) - VMS is really NT's underpinnings since David Cutler designed it AND NT too, & he was DEC's lead designer on VMS whom "King Billy" hired away (as he did Anders Heijelsberg, the creator of Delphi from Borland to make C# & to improve Visual Studio)

& the VMS commandset? Amazingly similar to UNIX ones... as well as HOW it operates. It's a "field of imitation & improve", & the VMS/UNIX/NT based Os comparison here really shows it imo!

NT? IMO, is VMS with some Apple GUI (Win32 API largely based on it since 32 bit stuff is mostly ports of Win16 which was apple copied), & Os/2 stuff too since MS helped codesign/cocreate with IBM, especially the filesystem (HPFS is just NTFS ancestor & improved it really only!)

I.E.=> The BEST of all 3 of them...

Originally posted by jmmijo:

"I even played around with connecting my beloved and by then dusty C64 with just a 1200 baud modem, telnet access worked liked a dream, picture the old 40-column display and see what I mean..."

You've been on Personal Computers longer than I imo... I started out on second degree using 8088's... then usual progression to 286/386/486 & bought first one as 486 Sx/25mhz all ISA bus, 4mb RAM, & single Quantum Fireball (or, was it ProDrive) 42mb IDE disk (real poke by today's standards).

I finally updated it in end to 486 Dx/4 133mhz w/ 32mb FastPage 30pin RAM, & TekRam DC-690 ISA caching controller running dual WD 212mb caviars... for its time? IT FLEW! Still runs today, believe it or not, as a printserver in a pals' company & STILL my setup in it, all parts solid apparently last I checked. And, when I see him?

I always ask - That machine (nutty/nostalgic/stupid as it may sound) was the one I learned the MOST on & was MOST fascinated with... DOS/Win3x/Win9x/WinNT3.5x on it & as they came out (even Os/2 Warp in the end iirc).

Originally posted by jmmijo:

"I went so far as to even reconnect my first modem, a 300 baud, pulse-dial, Taiwanese made POS, it even worked "

Things sure have come a LONG ways man... just think: 10 years from now? You'll be saying this about your rig you have now!

Originally posted by jmmijo:

"Back On-Topic, Yes I second your opinion about Philip there, he's a very cool sysop, hey, can I still use that term now a days

"

He's the MOST "even-handed" & fair one I have ever met in fact... & I have known a TON of them!

Clutch & I got into it not TOO long ago... he "bonked" us both! That tells me alot, he is a FAIR & even-handed guy!



Part of why I come here, well, that... & look @ all the NEAT stuff that has come from this site over time (my tuning article, spawned an idea for entire sites... I don't know of an earlier "Tuning NT" type article for security &/or performance in fact)... DosFreak's AMAZINGLY HUGE compatibility list (largely this is his work) & also his hack for TS on 2k Pro... this takes time, effort, & much more!

* Plus/Lastly? This site's engine?? All Philipp... others sites too!

How many sites can say that?

I don't know of ANY other than this one... makes me glad to be part of something like that in my own small way!

APK

P.S.=> Invention? Impresses me LARGE & I respect it! Heh, looked back on this thread & know what??

WE ARE "OLD-SCHOOL GEEKS" us 3... lol!

(Hey, I love conversations like these, especially with old-timers like you two... relative term purely & no offense intended!) apk

Originally posted by jmmijo:

"You want to hear something really old, then when I ran my first BBS from said C64 and the very same 300 baud modem,"

No doubt in my mind now, you've got me beaten in terms of being @ this longer... & probably @ more depth too in my "early days", which around the timeframe you state next? WAS WAY EARLY for me in this field!

Originally posted by jmmijo:

"I used a free BBS app called Color BBS. Un-beknownst to me it had a few security holes and I felt the wrath of my first hack job back then, sad really ;"

Well, that does suck, but... it does tend to get you off your behind & fix the holes IF possible... What exactly was done to you?

The reason I ask is, like I said above - Got my first "hacks" run on me out on IRC in the mid-90's really. One guy hooked into me when I was running Win9x & did the Client for Microsoft Networks remote share create/use hacks on me. He burnt me & bad!

Next guy, opened up a command.com prompt remotely on me, & read files from my disks... BUT, he told me HOW he did it too!

The rest were just basically getting blown offline, OR doing the blowing offline of others (the #Linux channel I mention above, lol, those guys? They were damn notorious! They actually LIKED coming around & warring with us in the #Windows95 channel... lol, especially everytime a NEW OS hole was found & especially on NT/2000 of all builds/versions!)

Originally posted by jmmijo:

"( We're talking the 1984/1985 time frame here."

Heh, I was just learning BASIC (first time was in 1982 in highschool on DEC PDP-11 iirc, timeshared via phone handle & oldstyle BOOTs for phone to use as the modem... like in the old film "WarGames" ) & continuing BASIC again in college.

(Was simple/easy "A+" grade second time around too, loved that!)

I was having my first girlfriends (serious ones) too, that cut into my serious pursuit of "nerdism" too, lol... hormones!

Originally posted by jmmijo:

"I just remembered the manufacturer of that 300 baud modem, they were called Tehaiho(sp?). It was the cheapest modem on the market at the time and connected directly to the C64's serial port connector "

You have a phenomenal memory if you can recall the OEM of it... but, I do KNOW THE FEELING! Especially when you're really starting to get into this lunacy!



* Jmmijo, one day? You've gotta tell me how old you are, & how you got involved & WHEN (more importantly) in this field!

APK

Well I can most definitely say that my experience with computers does not go back as far as the two of you.

It began with a tandy rs80 that then jumped to a NEC 166 Ready 9702 Series PC. I remember messing with PCs in school that were 486 DX running WFW 3.11

What actually pulled me into computers was programming for zilog processors on the TI-85. I needed a machine to dump the roms and the NEC is what did it.

Guess you could say I have been doing PCs for about 9 years.

Originally posted by ds3circuit:

"Well I can most definitely say that my experience with computers does not go back as far as the two of you.

It began with a tandy rs80 that then jumped to a NEC 166 Ready 9702 Series PC. I remember messing with PCs in school that were 486 DX running WFW 3.11

What actually pulled me into computers was programming for zilog processors on the TI-85. I needed a machine to dump the roms and the NEC is what did it.

Guess you could say I have been doing PCs for about 9 years. "

Ah yes WFW 3.11, I remember my first 486-DX2/50 came with that OS along with MS-DOS v6.xx. I already had copies of v3.3, v4.01 and 5 to mess about with as well

Well I started back in High School, which is the mid-70's. The high-school I went to had a computer department filled with TRS-80's and Apple. I liked the CP/M DOS that came with the trash 80's and really didn't get along with the Apple DOS/ProDOS or what ever Apple called it at the time...

Also, there was one or two acoustic modems in the computer lab, they ran at either 30, 60 or 110 baud, now that was smoking at the time.

Since the pricing was so damn expensive I never could afford to get one myself, however I was one of the lucky ones to get one of the first Oddysey game consoles with paddles

Then we graduated to the Mattel Intelivsion and soon the voice cartridge to go along with B-17 bomber

I really liked what CBM was doing at the time because they made some really nice business class machines for not a whole lot of money at the time. Atari also had some interesting home micros with the 400/800 series of boxes.

@APK, no I never found a fix for the security hole(s) in that Color BBS app, I just stopped running the free BBS after that

As to what had happened, well the jerk that hacked the site basically reformated the floppy disk that I had the app and other support software running on. Since the C64 was primarially disk based for storing the temp data and program data onto, this effectively killed the BBS. Users would just a endless ring on the phone line with no app to pick up the modem

ALT+F4 for OP

/DosFreak slaps everyone in thread with a trout.

Originally posted by dosfreak:

"ALT+F4 for OP

/DosFreak slaps everyone in thread with a trout."

LOL, man... wiseguy!

I have not seen "with a trout" in ages!



(& I imagine that definitely means you've been an IRC person yourself @ some point in time out here if you have that still in mind!)


* I'd go & do IRC again, but don't trust the scripted bots nowadays, & also the fact your IP address is WIDE OPEN too (unless you use proxies that is, & they slow ya up massively usually, especially if on dialup!)

APK

P.S.=> That's ONE NICE PART about dialup though - you get diff. IP Address nearly EACH TIME YOU RECONNECT, & I feel @ least this helps out on places like IRC... apk