Igor, Igor, you don't get it. No matter how idiot-proof any software is, there will ALWAYS be people calling TS with stupid questions.
 
Besides, Win Millenium, while faster, will be just as crash-prone as good ol' 95, and 98. And it's not coming out for 6 months after Win2k, right? (can't remember..)I'll just stick to win2000. It has yet to actually crash on me. And everything I love to play runs and runs well..
 
- MousePad
 
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Just once, I'd like to see an elementary particle physicist use *ZOT* when referring to accelerator operations. Is that too much to ask?

About the performance of 2K. It *should* be faster than Millennium for games. The issue is that all the drivers are not optimized, and to this point, I don't think any of them support AGP. Hopefully the manufacturers will have their act together by February. But knowing all of them, I won't get my hopes up (especially my beloved ATi).
 
The lack of drivers for the Live doesn't bother me too much; I have Bose up front, and some horrid Cambridge SBS 50s in the rear (I try to avoid 4 speakers). The EAX is nice, but I haven't been playing all that many first person games that I would miss it.
 
I found an odd bug with the Live WDM: It supports CD Digital, however, there is no way to control the output. I muted the standard CD Audio, and viola CD Digital was playing. I guess that is a halfway good sign, because as I recall, Creative had some big problems getting CD Digital to work with the initial 9x and NT drivers (many memory leaks).
 
I am also getting confused with Millennium. Many reliable sources are saying that they are dumping it, and just as many say that it is still actively in development.
 
I have this strange theory that Microsoft will end up releasing Millennium as "Windows 2000 Personal." If they did anything else, people may be flocking to Win2K Pro with the confusion. I think Microsoft realizes that they have some marketing problems, so I am really curious how they are going to dig out of the hole.
 
And I have more. I couldn't resist...
 
Just saw this on Microsoft.com about Win2K.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/guide/professional/overview/reliable/
 

Quote:With its support for Plug and Play, Windows 2000 lets users easily add hardware devices such as scanners, DVD players, and speakers without rebooting.
 
When was the last time you plugged in a set of speakers, only to need to reboot your computer???
 
They should have added: "With its amazing relaibility, Windows 2000 Professional will even operate when you are using your dishwasher!"
 
... time to get to work, and off my soapbox
 
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Direct Quote from a review Cnet.com did on the final release of W2K.
 
 
But hey what do they know.
 
Read the whole review at http://www.cnet.com
 
 
"Windows 2000 isn't for everyone, however. If you want a new OS for gaming or surfing the Net, you'll be better off with Windows Millennium, the Windows 98 replacement due out the second half of next year. And even if Windows 2000 is up your alley, you still have to wait a couple of months to get your hands on a copy. If Microsoft doesn't run into any snags, the boxed version of Windows 2000 will hit store shelves and start shipping with PCs on February 17, 2000, two months later than Microsoft had originally promised."

Windows 2000 or Windows Millennium will hit the market with bugs.
YOU ALL KNOW THAT!
 
It is good for all of us to get these upgrades from time to time. Because of the left off bugs of the latest OS released to the market.
 
I will say that windows 2000 is a great upgrade from NT4. Windows Millennium too as well.
 
I havent seen a OS with the Win9x kernel more stable than this Millennium.
 
But the 2 OS are direct it to 2 diferents consumers. I know you can play DVD's On Win2000, play games ,PNP ,etc,etc,etc. But these OS is not address for entretaiment. YOU ALL KNOW THAT!
 
I think you guys will be more please with NEPTUNE.
 
That will be what we ALL ever want it on any MS Os. Win9x Gaming and Multimedia Performance with the Power Of NT.
 
I think this is the same but backwards of what MS did with Win98 and Windows 2000.
 
They want it to give to Windows 2000 what they should did at a very first place when they released it.
 
Im testing Millennium and we are a few bugs away to make this product almost perfect.
 
The stability of this OS is away Much better than any Win95/98/Se. I can tell you that.
 
OH!! by the way since im testing millennium i made the "CLASS OF 2000" of MS.
 
TOP 200 Beta testers these year.
 
So please.. Congratulate me!!
 
LOL!!

Windows 2000 or Windows Millennium will hit the market with bugs.
YOU ALL KNOW THAT!
 
It is good for all of us to get these upgrades from time to time. Because of the left off bugs of the latest OS released to the market.
 
I will say that windows 2000 is a great upgrade from NT4. Windows Millennium too as well.
 
I havent seen a OS with the Win9x kernel more stable than this Millennium.
 
But the 2 OS are direct it to 2 diferents consumers. I know you can play DVD's On Win2000, play games ,PNP ,etc,etc,etc. But these OS is not address for entretaiment. YOU ALL KNOW THAT!
 
I think you guys will be more please with NEPTUNE.
 
That will be what we ALL ever want it on any MS Os. Win9x Gaming and Multimedia Performance with the Power Of NT.
 
I think this is the same but backwards of what MS did with Win98 and Windows 2000.
 
They want it to give to Windows 2000 what they should did at a very first place when they released it.
 
Im testing Millennium and we are a few bugs away to make this product almost perfect.
 
The stability of this OS is away Much better than any Win95/98/Se. I can tell you that.
 
OH!! by the way since im testing millennium i made the "CLASS OF 2000" of MS.
 
TOP 200 Beta testers these year.
 
So please.. Congratulate me!!
 
LOL!!

>>>Windows 2000 or Windows Millennium will hit the market with bugs.
YOU ALL KNOW THAT
 
Tell me an OS that doesn't have bugs.
 
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>But the 2 OS are direct it to 2 diferents
>consumers. I know you can play DVD's On
>Win2000, play games ,PNP ,etc,etc,etc. But
>these OS is not address for entretaiment.
>YOU ALL KNOW THAT!
 
No, we don't know taht. win2k is an all-purpose OS, and if I can use it for those things , I will.
 
>That will be what we ALL ever want it on
>any MS Os. Win9x Gaming and Multimedia
>Performance with the Power Of NT.
 
Isn't that what already got with win2k?
 
>Im testing Millennium and we are a few bugs
>away to make this product almost perfect.
 
Since the business section and cosnumer section just was merged, people predict the Millennium project will be closed.
 
>The stability of this OS is away Much
>better than any Win95/98/Se. I can tell you
>that.
 
that Don't say much. I've hear dabout all the new features and how buggy they are and how they screw up the system. not that I've tested the OS myself, though...
 
>OH!! by the way since im testing millennium
>i made the "CLASS OF 2000" of MS.
>TOP 200 Beta testers these year.
>So please.. Congratulate me!!
 
Congcratulations
 
 
For the win2k as not being an consumer OS, it already is and will become more and more used by consumers, or better described as the serious gamers. there a re plenty of different consumers out here, some will install win2k at home for work and some games for the kids, others will install it just to get quake3 use both their prosessors.
 
No, win2k will not run all the games yet, the average computer out there is not fast enough to run it, but it's and incredible amount of games that already is able to work with current beta drivers so when Millennium pherhaps get release once, I belve win2k has matured enough to make it obsolete.
 
Don't listen tho microsoft say win2k will not be for consumers, it's just so it wont get that toy-OS feel, we consumers have earned stability and reliability witho out gaming and dvd movies for a lond time now
 
and with the evolution going so fast on the 3d accellerator front, we need a stable environment to develop drivers and games for it.

here we go again...is this guy an ms employee or what...i ran win mill for about 3 months and it sucked hard...just like win98, all prettied up but crashed worse that win95. the thing im learning about win2k is you can run just about any game in it, and all of my biz apps. all that with hacked and beta drivers. if you were to run a beta driver in winmill you would have to run fdisk, format and start all over again. the dos based oses are on the way out. if winmill makes it to market it will blow my mind. most of my customers are lining up for win2k to be released. stability and great game performance, what more could you ask for?? like ive said so many times before. i NEVER reboot this system. when i was running win98 i rebooted an average of 3 to 4 times a day. how about this? your fraggin your ass off and smoking everybody in the q3 server, all you have is one more frag and your the top dog. SUDDENLY! blank screen. oh, win98 decided it needed to be rebooted again. that os is so frustrating im suprised they even sold a copy of it. so will i buy mill? NO F**CKING WAY!!!!! im to spoiled to running for days without so much as a glitch. i sold the hell out of win98 with my gaming machines and frankly im sick and tired of getting em in on service orders....and usually something stupid, it forgets it has a dvd, or, it decides that the tnt2 ultra in it is really a standard video controller....so im gonna game with win2k and let the idiots fight with mill.
thats my opion and i may be wrong

Bravo, I am in complete agreement with Rogue.
 
I am highly pleased with 2K. I have DVD running, my Live works decently with the WDM, and every one of my games works flawlessly. Sure, better AGP support would be nice, but for the moment I get to blame ATi for that.
 
The install was a snap. My office machines were clean installs (except the servers), at home I was too lazy to reinstall so I decided to upgrade. It literally took 3-clicks to go from 98 to 2K. It was easier than 95 to 98, so I don’t understand why peaje is arguing his point.
 
I would assume the OS is s decent choice for novice users; the wizards and explanations are much better than anything in the 9x series.
 
I am hard pressed to find a reason why MS would release Millennium. I can't imagine 2K would take more than a few months (maybe six) to modify for consumer (i.e. Neptune) release.
 
Hopefully in the future, MS will focus on making the NT Kernel more reliable. It roughly as stable as Linux, but we aren't at Mainframe reliability yet. Windows NT magazine has some interesting insights on this point. If you haven't picked it up, I would highly recommend the "Windows NT Magazine: Windows 2000 Special." Even though they were working predominantly with RC1, they still have some interesting insights as well as some fairly low level discussions on the Kernel, etc.
 
Not to knock on Peaje, but I find his comments rather funny. No offence intended, I just disagree.
 
I can’t comprehend why he doesn’t think 2K has been designed for multimedia and entertainment. We have a Gateway Destination in our conference room, and I loaded it with 2K. The machine does far better on 2K than it did on 98. Furthermore, most of our clients are still in the dark about 2K, so when they see it, it helps further substantiate the “cutting edge” feel that my firm attempts to portray. We always get questions when people see the login screen.
 
Why would I be more pleased with Neptune? It will use the same drivers and software as 2K; the predominant difference is that it will be “dumbed” up for consumer users. Every *single* thing that Neptune can do will also be available in 2K (identical hardware and software support). Which is where my confusion lies… Neptune and 2K will be almost identical, so how can you possibly argue that 2K is not for multimedia and entertainment???? But then again I seriously doubt my arguments will faze Mr. Gibraltar

I had to post this message since it is the 50th in the thread! I couldn't give someone else the chance

I love win2k.

agreed

Great article on Gamespot about Windows 2000, not really being a gamers OS.
 
Can I stir things up or what? Windows 98 is still the OS if you WANT TO PLAY ANY AND ALL GAMES.
 
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The only game I really play is quake3 so I can only compare with that. After I installed win2k and installed drivers by chameleon quake3 has never ran smoother not to mention internet play speeding up. Why are you baggin' on win2k anyway Im sure once its finally released and all the drivers are out it will play all the games for anybodys satisfaction or better.

Win2k hands down best gaming OS ever!

God I hope W2K plays all my games, I have a Dual PIII 600 System just sitting here waiting to be abused. I can't wait till Feb 17th for the release. I'm hoping like everyone here that all the drivers are released for the hardware I have.
 
 
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You seem to have this misconception that on the 17th everything will all ok in win2k world. It's quite obvious you may read what others say but it goes right over your head(ala in one ear and out the other). A comment like "I can't wait for the 17th" proves it. An os is nothing without support from the products that are powering it. You games arent going to all work what-so-F**King-ever untill Nvidia or 3dfx and all hardware companies etc... release proper drivers and game deveopers issues patches(if needed) The drivers support in win2k FINAL is about this " " much more than whatever build your running now....so if it's not supported right now...tough sh*t buddy, wait till your manufacturer puts out some drivers or check the HCL. Also on the 17th EVERYONE is not gonna instantly make new drivers available, yes there will be some but not everything. And if your so god damn happy with using 98 for your gaming then go do it and stop annoying everyone here with uninformed posts and pointing to articles abot how win2k is not good for this and that. I'll show you 10 articles about how great it is for every bad one you put up. Not to mention they are all using Rc1 or Rc2 and maybe perhaps Rc3. But in the meantime. GIVE IT A BREAK! Unless of course you can see the future?
 
[This message has been edited by Seldzar (edited 24 December 1999).]

Seldzar?
 
Your quote.
 
You games arent going to all work what-so-F**King-ever untill Nvidia or 3dfx and all hardware companies etc... release proper drivers and game deveopers issues patches(if needed) The drivers support in win2k FINAL is about this " " much more than whatever build your running now....so if it's not supported right now...tough sh*t buddy, wait till your manufacturer puts out some drivers or check the HCL. Also on the 17th EVERYONE is not gonna instantly make new drivers available, yes there will be some but not everything. And if your so god damn happy with using 98 for your gaming then go do it and stop annoying everyone here with uninformed posts and pointing to articles abot how win2k is not good for this and that. I'll show you 10 articles about how great it is for every bad one you put up. Not to mention they are all using Rc1 or Rc2 and maybe perhaps Rc3. But in the meantime. GIVE IT A BREAK! Unless of course you can see the future?
 
I'm aware of that you Idiot!!!
 
All I was saying was that I hope on the 17th when it's released that Nvidia and Creative Labs and the other companys have drivers available.
 
I don't quite understand what your problem is. If I want to complain then this is the best place. If you have a problem with that then I guess you should look elsewhere for the forums that people are just so happy with the current software world.
 
Why are you such an angry person?
 
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Another thing,
 
I HATE 98, like we all do. But it's the ONLY OS like I said that plays all the games. And supports all the Hardware. I can't wait for W2K to see if it truly is what we all hope it will be.
 
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I got your idiot for you right here!
 
My problems is stupid f**king idiots like you posting dumb sh*t in this place. Where even more uninformed people read it and get confused and lost amongst all the BS. It really isn't my fault that you don't think before you speak, let alone read the responses that make sense and come to an understanding. I have proven myself very helpful OVER and OVER again at this board and provided helpful services. What has your b*tch ass done huh? Sweet F*ck all. So shut your hole!
 
 
 
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