Wasn't me man, he said it. People should stop posting crap like yours MSGuy, if people are going to answer questons, answer them right. Also, for that one idiot that said "thousand of dollars since 1992. I'm in awe."
That's crap. I'm only 16, and have made thousands of dollars in the last 9 months, not the last 8 years. I don't even have a job for crying out loud. I'm getting $600 this month for doing Qbasic stuff for an Elections Office

Congrats being 16, it is the best time of your life! Enjoy it while it lasts! (seriously, not trying to be an arse)
 
Just a note, it isn't polite to brag about how much money you make. The average salary in the Bay Area for an entry to mid-level programmer is $7000/mo. I am also positive there are people on this board making $600/day. I understand you are young, but you aren't about to woo people throwing dollar signs around.
 
I would guess two thirds of this board is probably college age and younger, and the last third are working folk in the IT business (ie. making good money).

jdulmage:
Have you or have you not tried it. In one sentence you say you did it and it works and then you turn around and say you might try some of the suggestions before you delete windows.
You say delete the windows dir and msdos.sys but they don't exist on a W2k setup.
 
And yes you can put dos files on a NTFS partition but you can't run dos from a NTFS partition. I can put UNIX fils on a HPFS but you can't run UNIX from it.
 
However, this thread has been one of the most entertaining reads I've done in a long time. I laughed, I cried, well mostly laughed.

jdulmage,
 
Hey pinhead - all I did was cut and paste your original bombastic reply and put it in the third person. YOU are the one who wrote that.
 
 
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Shrink
 
92% of the things we worry about don't happen - but the other 8% DO!
 
PIII 450@504
Soltek SL67B Mobo with 128 mb pc100
20 gig Quantum KX 8 gig Quantum CR
SBlive Value
Voodooo3 3000 AGP
... and a bunch of USB Stuff
Windows 2000 Pro Retail

Ge0ph,
 
MSDOS.sys is on Windows2000 and the Windows dir may or maynot be there depending on whether or not it was an upgrade from 9x. If it was the system root will be windows. Holy **** i just defended J something or other. Although I still think that he is fulla **** about putting DOS on there and games working.
 
P.S. This is MSGuy at home =)

AND YOU'RE WRONG!
 
lol
 
Seriously though, I have a clean install of Win2k pro and have msdos.sys in my root directory.
 
<shudder>
 
 
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Shrink
 
92% of the things we worry about don't happen - but the other 8% DO!
 
PIII 450@504
Soltek SL67B Mobo with 128 mb pc100
20 gig Quantum KX 8 gig Quantum CR
SBlive Value
Voodooo3 3000 AGP
... and a bunch of USB Stuff
Windows 2000 Pro Retail
 
[This message has been edited by Shrink (edited 25 March 2000).]

i wasn't talking about deleting windows dir and msdos.sys while you have Windows 2000. If you would listen, i said delete your windows dir and msdos.sys and THEN put DOS and THEN put Windows 2000 on. Sorry for those who got things messed up. Here is the scoop. I tried it on my friends computer, not mine. It worked on his, I was you guys would stop saying i'm full of it and stuff, the proof was right there on his computer. This post is getting out of hand, look at it....4 pages long of posts, half of them have crap in them that is useless, the other half is useful and makes sense. All I was asking when i posted that message was this:
 
1) Has someone tried it?
2) If yes, was it successful?

1. For some strange reason 2000 does put io.sys,msdos.sys,and autoexec.bat in the root directory of your C: drive even if you have a NTFS partition. These are zero byte files and of course do not do anything. I just wish they would stop coming back! On every single computer I have ever installed NT4work/Serv and NT5pro/Serv these stupid files keep on reappearing.
 
2. My Quote "I heard someone mention that DOS can not exist on an NTFS partition. Untrue DOS can exist on a NTFS partition. Install 2000, make an NTFS partition, copy DOS disks or a dos directory to your NTFS partition. There ya go! Duh...commonsense."
 
As you can see I did not say that you booted with Dos or that NT used the Dos files in any way, I just said that you can put Dos on your drive contradicting what you said. That's where the "Duh...commonsense." comes from.
 
 
Man this is one messed up thread.

JDULMAGE, how did you manage to become the top computer guy in your school? Do you attend school in an Amish community?
 
I concur with the general consensus here. The other guys have explained this rather well, over and over again, so I'm not going to repeat again why this nonsense of installing DOS first had absolutely no effect at all on the subsequent Windows 2000 installation.
 
Your cause and effect analysis leaves a lot to be desired, and ignores the scientific method. You haven't done nearly enough systematic experimentation to draw the conclusion that you drew.
 
I'll offer my theory. I gather from the messages you've posted that you can't get games to work on your own machine for whatever reason, but have gotten them to work on other machines, where you *COINCIDENTALLY* applied this silly DOS-then-Win2K procedure.
 
Here are reasons the games might not be working on your machine but does on the others:
 
1) The others are clean installations. Yours might have become "tainted" with different layers of old drivers, a cluttered up registry, conflicting DLLs, etc.
2) You might have some oddball piece of hardware that the games didn't like too well, such as a poorly supported video card
3) Your hardware might have a defect that is not easily detectable
4) You might not have followed precisely the same procedure installing the games on your own machine as those followed on the others
 
Reformatting and reinstalling Windows 2000 on your machine may or may not fix the problems, depending on which cause is responsible for the nonfunctioning games. I'll assure you, however, that the result will be identical whether or not you install DOS first. Good luck getting all of your games working. I've had 100% success with my handful of games, and I know what a pain in the ass it can be when one doesn't work right away.
 
 
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because i love punishing my computer and i guess myself, i'm going to try it tonight. HAHAHA, I love doing trail and error. I'll see you after this is all done and i'll have Windows 2000 on my computer the next post i put up

Its been a while,
 
maybe he got lost on his trail, and made an error.
 

God, I just noticed this thread for the first time! I have to say I haven't laughed so much in ages.... LOL Can't wait what happens next.

I really wish J would post again, I am at work and have nothing to do. Come on man I need some entertainment =)

haven't installed Windows 2000 yet, i was sitting there yesterday thinking wether or not i should install it and take the risk, but then again, i can always dual boot. So I'm trying it soon. If it doesn't work, i'm going to boot my friend in the damn ass, cause he is the one that convinced me that it works

Yes, this particular thread is always an adventure. It will make you laugh, cry, fall in love, and be glad to be alive. Tune in for next week's all new episode!
 
 
I know that a lot of magazine columnists read this board. I wonder what they are thinking right now
 

Quote:Originally posted by Andy_25:God, I just noticed this thread for the first time! I have to say I haven't laughed so much in ages.... LOL Can't wait what happens next.

jdulmage: First, it isn't possible that Win2K will work better... It has nothing to do w/ Win9x or DOS. If u don't trust me, try to run bleem on ur friend's computer. It won't work... And u want to know why??? Because it's the NT Kernel. And some software aren't programmed for the NT Kernel.
And u want to know why Win9x drivers don't work w/ win2K??? I repeat again :because Win2k is the NT Kernel!!!

Do you mean to tell me that this is not 98? damnit! I have been supporting this thing for over a month now and I never realized that. I supposed the next thing you are going to tell is that Quake 3 wont run on my 386 running Windows 3.11.

jdulmage: Obviously you have no idea how the OS works, because your logic does not fit in at all. DOS WILL HAVE NO EFFECT ON WIN2K. NONE! WIN2K won't even recognize any of the DOS crap in there. So whether DOS is there or not will not matter. I think you just got lucky and did a clean install and now things are fine.
 
post hoc, ergo propter hoc
(after this, therefore on account of this)

ok jdulmage, I couldn't resist so long
$1,000,000 question:
"If it was so simple to combine DOS+NT5 why didn't (mamma of win2k) Microsoft thought about it?"
 
Stay tuned for the answer...

This is one funny thread... The thing that i find most entretaining is to think about how jdulmage's "friend" came up with the brilliant idea of trying this in the first place...
 
 
"friend": Crap... my games are not working!
 
jdulmage: Hey.. how about we reinstall win2k?
 
"friend": Hmmm, not thats not enough, I say lets try putting DOS in first!
 
jdulmage: How did I not think of this first? Its brilliant! I guess Im only the second best computer student in school...
 
 
 
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