"Critical Update" on winupdate site!!! Very strang
This is a discussion about "Critical Update" on winupdate site!!! Very strang in the Windows Hardware category; Hello guys/girls ! Check this out. . . I had a bunch of problems installing win2k pro on my machine coz of my mobo and my 2 P3 coppermine proccesors. . . well win2k just didnt like the idea that the mobo was NOT coppermine ready when it comes to run DUAL, i tried like 40 times to install win2k and i always ended up ...
Hello guys/girls !
Check this out...
I had a bunch of problems installing win2k pro on my machine coz of my mobo and my 2 P3 coppermine proccesors...well win2k just didnt like the idea that the mobo was NOT coppermine ready when it comes to run DUAL, i tried like 40 times to install win2k and i always ended up with a HARDWARE failure or a lock up in the setup. Then i ripped out my NIC card and one of the proccesors....installed win2k, wich went without a SINGEL problem...when the install was finished i put the second cpu on the mobo again and win2k was damn SLOW!!! it was like a run it on a 486 or something...here and there i got lockups and hardware failures again...ok, i rip the second cpu out again..start win2k..everything runs smooth as hell on my p3 600mhz and 256mb ram..go to windows update site on the net and update my win2k with the so called CRITICAL UPDATE!!! ...it was like 2 mb big...
gee, guess what?? i put the second cpu on the mobo again...and YES!! windows finaly runs like a rocket!! not a singel problem with the 2 cpu's....
it kinda makes you wonder, what the hell did microsoft forget...and ended up with a critical update that never tells exectly what it does....hehe
well, i do still have some strange sblive probs...the sound starts clicking and hacknig up..out of nowere when i start the win2k...hmmm
/Silent-IQ
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I had a bunch of problems installing win2k pro on my machine coz of my mobo and my 2 P3 coppermine proccesors...well win2k just didnt like the idea that the mobo was NOT coppermine ready when it comes to run DUAL, i tried like 40 times to install win2k and i always ended up with a HARDWARE failure or a lock up in the setup. Then i ripped out my NIC card and one of the proccesors....installed win2k, wich went without a SINGEL problem...when the install was finished i put the second cpu on the mobo again and win2k was damn SLOW!!! it was like a run it on a 486 or something...here and there i got lockups and hardware failures again...ok, i rip the second cpu out again..start win2k..everything runs smooth as hell on my p3 600mhz and 256mb ram..go to windows update site on the net and update my win2k with the so called CRITICAL UPDATE!!! ...it was like 2 mb big...
gee, guess what?? i put the second cpu on the mobo again...and YES!! windows finaly runs like a rocket!! not a singel problem with the 2 cpu's....
it kinda makes you wonder, what the hell did microsoft forget...and ended up with a critical update that never tells exectly what it does....hehe
well, i do still have some strange sblive probs...the sound starts clicking and hacknig up..out of nowere when i start the win2k...hmmm
/Silent-IQ
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Good job on getting it running well, however, from what I have read, you MUST install w2k with 2 processors if you want to take advantage of dual processors. In other words, since you installed the os with only one processor installed, and then stuck the other one back, chances are, it is still only utilizing 1 cpu. to get the dual power, you must install while running both processors.
just some info
BlaZeR2
just some info
BlaZeR2
Actually, you can go between dual and single CPU mode "at will."
If you go into the device manager, under the computer section, you will see what type of machine you have (either ACPI, or MPS).
From there, you can "update driver" and change to either multi, or uniprocessor, depending on your current need (stick to the same type, ACPI, or MPS).
NT4 required you to reinstall their OS, but fortunately MS recognized that some people add additional processors at a latter date.
If you go into the device manager, under the computer section, you will see what type of machine you have (either ACPI, or MPS).
From there, you can "update driver" and change to either multi, or uniprocessor, depending on your current need (stick to the same type, ACPI, or MPS).
NT4 required you to reinstall their OS, but fortunately MS recognized that some people add additional processors at a latter date.
OP
that was the case of good old winnt...but in win2k you dont have to do that..it detects automaticly how many cpus are running and it configures the system to run with 2 cpus..
i checked under the task manager..and jepp..there are 2 cpu graphs..
but i still cant get the damn sblive from hanging the sound all the time...hehe
i checked under the task manager..and jepp..there are 2 cpu graphs..
but i still cant get the damn sblive from hanging the sound all the time...hehe
i think he is right you sould check taskmanager ctrl alt del and you should see just disregard this post i was alittel behind
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that is good to know i love this place
Okay, so i was wrong, thanks for clearing that up.
question though....
what is the difference between ACPI or MPS?
i am confused about that....
thanks
BlaZeR2
question though....
what is the difference between ACPI or MPS?
i am confused about that....
thanks
BlaZeR2
OP
to tell you the truth, i dont have a clue!
so what is the difference??
so what is the difference??
Here are the types based on system (device manager listing):
For ACPI compliant motherboards and BIOS there are:
Single Processor:
"Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) PC"
Single Processor in a Dual+ Motherboard:
"ACPI Uniprocessor PC"
Multi Processors in a Dual+ Motherboard:
"ACPI Multiprocessor PC"
For non-ACPI motherboards there are:
Single Processor:
"Standard PC"
Single Processor in a Dual+ Processor MB:
"MPS Uniprocessor PC"
Multi Processor in a Dual+ Processor MB:
"MPS Multiprocessor PC"
My wording means Dual+ = 2 or more CPU's.
Mike
For ACPI compliant motherboards and BIOS there are:
Single Processor:
"Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) PC"
Single Processor in a Dual+ Motherboard:
"ACPI Uniprocessor PC"
Multi Processors in a Dual+ Motherboard:
"ACPI Multiprocessor PC"
For non-ACPI motherboards there are:
Single Processor:
"Standard PC"
Single Processor in a Dual+ Processor MB:
"MPS Uniprocessor PC"
Multi Processor in a Dual+ Processor MB:
"MPS Multiprocessor PC"
My wording means Dual+ = 2 or more CPU's.
Mike
ACPI (Advanced Configuration and Power Interface) is the new form of plug and play, which includes support for multiple processors. It is more advanced, and generally the system functions with better integration. And, as the name implies, it allows for more robust power management.
MPS is a legacy form of multi-processor support that was sort of kludged together. The technology isn't associated with PnP, and it is more of a "refit." There are two types of MPS, 1.1 and 1.4. System management is almost a little sloppy. MPS creates a whole slew of virtual resources, so for instance, in an MPS system, your system might appear to have 128 IRQs.
If your board supports it, ACPI is the preferred method (generally 440BX and later).
MPS is a legacy form of multi-processor support that was sort of kludged together. The technology isn't associated with PnP, and it is more of a "refit." There are two types of MPS, 1.1 and 1.4. System management is almost a little sloppy. MPS creates a whole slew of virtual resources, so for instance, in an MPS system, your system might appear to have 128 IRQs.
If your board supports it, ACPI is the preferred method (generally 440BX and later).
Cool, thanks for info....
i kinda thought that's what ACPI stood for, but i had no clue what MPS was...
thanks
BlaZeR2
i kinda thought that's what ACPI stood for, but i had no clue what MPS was...
thanks
BlaZeR2
OP
so, right now my win2k is using mps under computer...should i change that to the other option then?
Ok, here's another question that popped in my mind because of this thread. I have an Abit BH6 rev1.0 with the latest bios and my computer isset as "Standard PC"; am I missing an functions or abilities because of this?
Thx
Thx
Yep. You are losing out on other features. If ACPI is recognised, your standard computer should be renamed to "Advance Configuration and Power Inteface (ACPI) PC".
OP
I really dont know..i have a simillar problem here...
i have a MSI 6120 Dual server mobo and the latest bios update...well undet bios settings the acpi option is on and under win2k it runs like MPS and not acpi mps computer..when i change manualy to acpi msp,..well i have to reinstall the win2k...hehe
i have a MSI 6120 Dual server mobo and the latest bios update...well undet bios settings the acpi option is on and under win2k it runs like MPS and not acpi mps computer..when i change manualy to acpi msp,..well i have to reinstall the win2k...hehe
I also have a similar problem with BH6 1.0. I am runnning latest bios, and ACPI is enabled. However, I don't have the hibernate option at all ! Does anyone know if BH6 supports hibernating at all ? If so, how can I enable it ?
To enable hibernate support, goto the "Power options" Control Panel. Goto the hibernate tab, and check the box.
Silent-IQ: Sorry I didn't respond sooner, if your machine detects MPS support, it probably can't go to ACPI. Enabling ACPI would render the system unbootable, which is I guess what happened.
ACPI machines can be switched to MPS, but not vice-versa.
Also, if you are running in MPS mode, or even as a "Standard PC" you are missing some power management features.
You can get these features back by going to the Add Hardware control panel.
1. "Add/troubleshoot"
2. click "Add a new device" and hit next.
3. Select "No"
4. Scroll down to NT APM/Legacy support, and add it.
This will enable "soft-off," suspend, and some other features that otherwise are disabled without ACPI.
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Silent-IQ: Sorry I didn't respond sooner, if your machine detects MPS support, it probably can't go to ACPI. Enabling ACPI would render the system unbootable, which is I guess what happened.
ACPI machines can be switched to MPS, but not vice-versa.
Also, if you are running in MPS mode, or even as a "Standard PC" you are missing some power management features.
You can get these features back by going to the Add Hardware control panel.
1. "Add/troubleshoot"
2. click "Add a new device" and hit next.
3. Select "No"
4. Scroll down to NT APM/Legacy support, and add it.
This will enable "soft-off," suspend, and some other features that otherwise are disabled without ACPI.
[This message has been edited by DrSchmoe (edited 04 March 2000).]
DrSchmoe: Thanks for advice, but the problem is that I don't have the hibernate tab in Power options. I also only have "shut down", "restart" and "log off" options in Shutdown menu. I'am seriously lacking some features. I checked that the ACPI was enabled in BIOS and reinstalled win2k. No effect. BH6 has had problems with ACPI and win9x, could it just be that the board isn't compatible win2k ACPI ? Has anyone actually got it work ?
Rulle:
How much RAM do you have? How much space is free on your boot drive? If you have 384MB, RAM for instance, you need 384MB of free space on your boot drive. Maybe you are running out of space? Another alternative is to run your page file off a different partition.
The other thing could be that the space needs to be contiguous (I am not sure). Defrag your drive, and then try. You may need to defrag the page file, either use Diskeeper, or shrink the pagefile, defrag, and return the page file to its original size.
Which brings me to a general page file tip... Make sure your minimum and maximum page file sizes are the same. This prevents resizing of the page file, and removes the possibility that the page file could fragment. I usually recommend a page file size equal to the next increment above your physical memory (ie, 128MB RAM = 192MB page file, 192MB RAM = 256MB page file, etc).
Oops, almost forgot. There were some problems with ABIT boards and ACPI, but all those issues are resolved in the latest BIOS revisions.
[This message has been edited by DrSchmoe (edited 05 March 2000).]
How much RAM do you have? How much space is free on your boot drive? If you have 384MB, RAM for instance, you need 384MB of free space on your boot drive. Maybe you are running out of space? Another alternative is to run your page file off a different partition.
The other thing could be that the space needs to be contiguous (I am not sure). Defrag your drive, and then try. You may need to defrag the page file, either use Diskeeper, or shrink the pagefile, defrag, and return the page file to its original size.
Which brings me to a general page file tip... Make sure your minimum and maximum page file sizes are the same. This prevents resizing of the page file, and removes the possibility that the page file could fragment. I usually recommend a page file size equal to the next increment above your physical memory (ie, 128MB RAM = 192MB page file, 192MB RAM = 256MB page file, etc).
Oops, almost forgot. There were some problems with ABIT boards and ACPI, but all those issues are resolved in the latest BIOS revisions.
[This message has been edited by DrSchmoe (edited 05 March 2000).]
OP
Thanx for your help guys...
Did anyone mention that the majority of mobos more than a year and a bit old don't have (very) good ACPI compatibility, and most mobo manufacturers have knocked up some "beta" bios that does nothing but knacker the system? In addition to the fact that M'£oft also assumed that anything with a bios newer than 1/1/99 was fully ACPI compliant, and then proceeded to installed a broken OS. Which then results in 1.1M posts saying what is ACPI, why don't my COM ports work, and why are all my thingy-ma-jigs on IRQ9?
If PC's ditched half there legacy baggage they would fly along (without the need for plug-and-play, and ACPI. I'd just love it to be able to bypass the X86 to RISC stage on my AMD/CYRIX chip!
signed: angry ss7 owner
If PC's ditched half there legacy baggage they would fly along (without the need for plug-and-play, and ACPI. I'd just love it to be able to bypass the X86 to RISC stage on my AMD/CYRIX chip!
signed: angry ss7 owner
