tylau
An internal circulation reveals the large number of bugs in the infant W2K, the patching all thime high exercise of W9X/NTx is going to happen again and again, whew!
The OS itself doesnt seems to have the stabillity of it NT4 ancestor also. IT seems that MS by putting in VXD drivers with the PNP capability into W2K, the OS is not as stable as older NT. It especailly crash proned when invloving hardware driver issues, when VXD can have ring 0 access to the system within the W2K.
The OS itself doesnt seems to have the stabillity of it NT4 ancestor also. IT seems that MS by putting in VXD drivers with the PNP capability into W2K, the OS is not as stable as older NT. It especailly crash proned when invloving hardware driver issues, when VXD can have ring 0 access to the system within the W2K.
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Seldzar
How about some new news? Yes we know windows will have bugs, name me a software developer that can write 100% perfect code that will work on 100% of all systems? Especially something as complex as win2k. And stability issues? I think perhaps your system has stability issues, mine doesn't. Ever thought of BETA drivers? Perhaps thats the cause for win2k's problems? No it can't be, we should condem the OS before it's even had a chance to get proper support =)
PraetorJudis
Unstable? What build are you running? I've got W2k professional running on three seperate computers (one is a K-62 system) with absolutely no problems whatsoever!
I'm even using beta drivers for my Voodoo 3 and SB Live! card on one of the machines. I'm running with multiple monitors, SCIS and IDE drives, a Wacom Art Pad, USB mouse keyboard and scanner.
The only 'issue' I've had with W2K is at work where I've had file lock problems with FoxPro 2.5 for DOS. No surprise there, a 16-bit db app running across a LAN with bloated tables containing ten years of information is bound to cause problems on any 32-bit operating system.
Unstable. Humph.
I'm tired of people coming to Windows forums to show how anti-Microsoft they are. I don't care how anti-Microsoft you are, just don't come here to flaunt it, please.
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I'm even using beta drivers for my Voodoo 3 and SB Live! card on one of the machines. I'm running with multiple monitors, SCIS and IDE drives, a Wacom Art Pad, USB mouse keyboard and scanner.
The only 'issue' I've had with W2K is at work where I've had file lock problems with FoxPro 2.5 for DOS. No surprise there, a 16-bit db app running across a LAN with bloated tables containing ten years of information is bound to cause problems on any 32-bit operating system.
Unstable. Humph.
I'm tired of people coming to Windows forums to show how anti-Microsoft they are. I don't care how anti-Microsoft you are, just don't come here to flaunt it, please.
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Tony
which build of win2k is unstable?
i have the final release, and its very stable, i've run many beta builds beta 2, beta 3 rc1, beta 3, rc1, rc2.
they have all been highly stable, allot more stable than windows 9x line (beta and released)you'd better check your system, you may find that you are not even running windows 2000, probably windows 98 or somehting. <G>
i have the final release, and its very stable, i've run many beta builds beta 2, beta 3 rc1, beta 3, rc1, rc2.
they have all been highly stable, allot more stable than windows 9x line (beta and released)you'd better check your system, you may find that you are not even running windows 2000, probably windows 98 or somehting. <G>
tylau
OP
Hi Seldzar, to be fair I dont think it is the sole repsonsiblity of MS in these hardware driver related instability, many beta drivers and legacy drivers I have try on is actually making those crashed and blue screens. But since MS decided to up the performance in OS speed and allowing the lowest levels of access by VXD, that would concetenate these stabilities. MS is the laying down some unsafe pratice for the followers (hardware vendors).
I would say once the hardware issues (device drivers) are sorted out, the OS seems not inferior in terms of stability to NT counterparts.
I would say once the hardware issues (device drivers) are sorted out, the OS seems not inferior in terms of stability to NT counterparts.
woofpup
Drivers have always been the weak point - that's why Microsoft is pushing the whole signed/certified driver business. Of course if you just click past the unsigned driver warning, you're putting yourself at risk of using a driver that will bring down the system!
EddiE314
EVERY OS AND PROGRAM HAVE BUGS!
Ronin
I was anti-W2K but when proper drivers are released for my SB Live and Geforce and a few others I'll be making the switch. I have it running on my Compaq Presario 1825 and it runs great. I did a clean install and all my hardware was detected, not a problem. Just be patient it will all be ok.
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JimmyK
I got a copy of windows 3.11 workgroups here for u.
RobGoo
This is to all the people that whine about this and that not working.
Windows2000 is NOT a consumer product it IS a business product. I work for MS and get really tired of ppl saying this doesnt work or this wont run like it did in 9.x. Well unless it is on the HCL you are on your own. When we go live on the 17th I am betting that over half of all the questions will be "my _________ (insert non-HCL component) is not working, FIX it!" and my response will be "well SIR did you check the HCL before you upgraded?" Basically don't whine because all of your hardware doesnt work right away and its not MS's fault that your third party hardware doesnt work. Microsoft does NOT write drivers!
Windows2000 is NOT a consumer product it IS a business product. I work for MS and get really tired of ppl saying this doesnt work or this wont run like it did in 9.x. Well unless it is on the HCL you are on your own. When we go live on the 17th I am betting that over half of all the questions will be "my _________ (insert non-HCL component) is not working, FIX it!" and my response will be "well SIR did you check the HCL before you upgraded?" Basically don't whine because all of your hardware doesnt work right away and its not MS's fault that your third party hardware doesnt work. Microsoft does NOT write drivers!
ThC 129
Sometimes you have to take the good with the bad. If something doesnt work people ***** but when something is working fine people STILL *****. Why? People just have a tenedensy to complain about things.
DMan
RobGoo wrote: "Windows2000 is NOT a consumer product it IS a business product"
so why does it have gamming support then ??
I don't whine about MS, but it's allways popular to blame Bill Gates I don't know it's just a habit..
I mean if I were reeleching software I would use the Windows95/98 error codes and blame it on MS hehe
so why does it have gamming support then ??
I don't whine about MS, but it's allways popular to blame Bill Gates I don't know it's just a habit..
I mean if I were reeleching software I would use the Windows95/98 error codes and blame it on MS hehe
EddiE314
Beggers can't be choosers.
Don't put down an unreleased OS, give it a chance! Except for Windows ME....put that down all you want! It deserves it.
Don't put down an unreleased OS, give it a chance! Except for Windows ME....put that down all you want! It deserves it.
Awaxx
Quote:Originally posted by DMan:
RobGoo wrote: "Windows2000 is NOT a consumer product it IS a business product"
so why does it have gamming support then ??
I don't whine about MS, but it's allways popular to blame Bill Gates I don't know it's just a habit..
I mean if I were reeleching software I would use the Windows95/98 error codes and blame it on MS hehe
What do you call : "gamming support". Accordin to me, it don't have it ! It just have a few new components that allow some games to work properly. DirectX isn't just toplay. I'm writing programs that uses some of it's components andI think we can imagine non gamming use for each of its component.
Win2k is the BEST OS I've met so far : I mean, Linux was a little bit to much for me. And if you look at Win98 vs Win2k, Win2k is solid as rock. I was used to format and reinstall Win98 every 3 weeks. Now I REBOOT every 3 weeks .
Awx
PS: and I can do nearly everything I want. Eachtime I switch back to Win98 (for TV-Out and DC10 capture), I crash 2 or 3 times before having the whole thing done so I wanna buy a G400(TV-Out underWin2k) and a new capture card that works under NT.
RobGoo wrote: "Windows2000 is NOT a consumer product it IS a business product"
so why does it have gamming support then ??
I don't whine about MS, but it's allways popular to blame Bill Gates I don't know it's just a habit..
I mean if I were reeleching software I would use the Windows95/98 error codes and blame it on MS hehe
What do you call : "gamming support". Accordin to me, it don't have it ! It just have a few new components that allow some games to work properly. DirectX isn't just toplay. I'm writing programs that uses some of it's components andI think we can imagine non gamming use for each of its component.
Win2k is the BEST OS I've met so far : I mean, Linux was a little bit to much for me. And if you look at Win98 vs Win2k, Win2k is solid as rock. I was used to format and reinstall Win98 every 3 weeks. Now I REBOOT every 3 weeks .
Awx
PS: and I can do nearly everything I want. Eachtime I switch back to Win98 (for TV-Out and DC10 capture), I crash 2 or 3 times before having the whole thing done so I wanna buy a G400(TV-Out underWin2k) and a new capture card that works under NT.
jonny
Lol win2k is buggy? I have found one bug. My internet explorer crashes sometimes. ( Anybody have that problem? ) but I think that is related to installing old programs on my system like cuteftp 2.8. Other than that I dont think I have found one thing wrong.
P.S.
The coolest thing is safe mode with networking. Not that i need it. hehe.
P.S.
The coolest thing is safe mode with networking. Not that i need it. hehe.
Tony
Awaxx wrote:
What do you call : "gamming support". Accordin to me, it don't have it ! It just have a few new components that allow some games to work properly.
it has great game support, ok i can understand some people can't get some games to work, granted its nt, it doesn't have full support.
but it does have it, more so than you may think, after running setwin95.cmd on a few games that gave me an error stating 'must have windows 95' or 'this does not run on nt'
they all worked.
i've gotten all my games to work
monster truck madness 1/2, baseball 3d/2000, midtown madness, unreal tournament (d3d modE) and half-life (d3d mode)
the only game that i havn't gotten working is quake 3 arena, as ati hasn't released any opengl win2k compatable drivers yet.
but in a few days hopfully they will.
i know some of the above games have nt as a requirement, but they are running in modes they weren't designed for in NT, direct3d, which was very bad in directx 3 which nt had.
and the games run better than they do on win98. win2k has great gaming support, if your hardware is fully win2k compatable.
of course millage may very.
What do you call : "gamming support". Accordin to me, it don't have it ! It just have a few new components that allow some games to work properly.
it has great game support, ok i can understand some people can't get some games to work, granted its nt, it doesn't have full support.
but it does have it, more so than you may think, after running setwin95.cmd on a few games that gave me an error stating 'must have windows 95' or 'this does not run on nt'
they all worked.
i've gotten all my games to work
monster truck madness 1/2, baseball 3d/2000, midtown madness, unreal tournament (d3d modE) and half-life (d3d mode)
the only game that i havn't gotten working is quake 3 arena, as ati hasn't released any opengl win2k compatable drivers yet.
but in a few days hopfully they will.
i know some of the above games have nt as a requirement, but they are running in modes they weren't designed for in NT, direct3d, which was very bad in directx 3 which nt had.
and the games run better than they do on win98. win2k has great gaming support, if your hardware is fully win2k compatable.
of course millage may very.
tylau
OP
hahahehahahehe...spooky folder iconic mania
I mean how to turn off the email reply, I just got over 10 auto reply emails from this server.
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Exorcist
It's not unstable, I've been using 2195 for almost a month, and the only things which have gone wrong are from using beta drivers, something which on an unreleased OS I'l prepared to take, until proper drivers are released (hurry up Creative) - and all I get are random lock-ups (dont even get those anywhere near as much since I upgraded to 3.76)
My Creative Blaster control thing for my GeForce doesn't work, everything else is fine - and can only improve with proper drivers.
All the games (Q3, UT, HL and OpFor) I play work perfectly, so I'm more than happy, in any event no OS is perfect, so don't whinge
Exorcist
My Creative Blaster control thing for my GeForce doesn't work, everything else is fine - and can only improve with proper drivers.
All the games (Q3, UT, HL and OpFor) I play work perfectly, so I'm more than happy, in any event no OS is perfect, so don't whinge
Exorcist
5t3ph3n
well, i believe it's absolutely normal for such a huge OS to have bugs (suppose it's proof of chaos theory ). But the $1,000,000 question is "can an OS be extremely lite but with huge capabilities?". the only unbuggy pro (correct me if i'm wrong plz) will be something like:
10 for x=1,10
20 print x
30 goto 10
10 for x=1,10
20 print x
30 goto 10
MAC
Well i am just writing to agree with most of the posts that Windows is extremely stable and considering it is not even out yet and we dont have official drivers etc that is a good job by Microsoft (for once) in my oppinion i hate to say it but i have to congradulate Microsoft for such a superb product i have got FINAL build 2195 had it for 2 weeks not a single crash, rock solid and yes i have loads of software and games on my computer and the ONLY ONE i have probs with is fifa 2000 but thats why i have 98 on as well at the min. by the way pls if anyone comes across a official patch for fifa 2000 pls contact me or post it as i am desperately waiting so i can finally get rid of the horrible windows 98. So shut up all you doubters if you are not happy dont use it it is your loss not ours.
cheers everyone
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cheers everyone
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MAC
jabbathewocket
odd that anyone can call any build of win2k unstable.. been running it since beta 3 with not 1 OS crash, had games lock and had a nasty driver issue with keyboard and mouse but the OS has never fully locked (the machine was still acting as internet gateway for a 10 PC network!)
Q: how many people who are bashing 2k complain about all the win95/98 nonsense they go through ? suggest they all go play with Millenium err Windows ME even hehe lots of luck to all who try!
Q: how many people who are bashing 2k complain about all the win95/98 nonsense they go through ? suggest they all go play with Millenium err Windows ME even hehe lots of luck to all who try!
