http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/20030512/geforce_fx_5900-11.html

That's not the only spot that showed this type of result either... Anandtech & others did as well.

* Looks like one HECK of a graphics card... Doom III testing is what got my attention, & it beats the ATI 9800 Pro by a good mile as well (easy 30% leads shown).



APK

P.S.=> I'd love to have one of these boards, but personally I'd have to have a matching CPU + memory setup for it to really take advantage of it I imagine... apk

499 bucks they can keep it..


Why does everything else in computer get cheaper except video cards?

"499 bucks they can keep it.."

As usual, there is that 'premium cost' isn't there?

"Why does everything else in computer get cheaper except video cards?"

Because they know that alot of gamers will pay that amount of money to have an ABSOLUTELY smooth & fast gaming experience on the new DOOM III engine is why... that'd be my guess @ least, because I know that feeling like most of you do as well also.



(I used to be one of those folks like many of yourselves also! Going out & just buying, for examples from the past, the 3dFx Voodoo V 5500 when it came out, & then the NVidia GeForce III, & then GeForce 4 Ti4600 etc., but this time around I have other things that need taking care of & I am pretty much generally happy w/ the system I have for the most part...)

This holding off this round is really a first for me, not to go chasing the ABSOLUTE-MOST/BEST in power again! Tough not to want to, especially since DOOM III is coming & I am pretty much an IDSoftware fan...

* Yes, sure... I'd love to have a better CPU + memory & mobo combo coupled with this new GeForce 5900 Ultra, that'd make it worth doing to have it ALL up-to-snuff & state-of-the-art/cutting edge really!

To pull that off though? Whew... on a guess, it'd run me around $750-$800 or so to do it right... absolutely right!

Again: There's other things that need doing here first in my life that will get ahold of my cash first this round I guess... not that I wouldn't want to go do this again, but got to take care of other business here first, mainly my car w/ insurance premium coming up & brakes this weekend that need doing (plus, saving for dual exhaust & diff. higher performance intake)!

APK

"499 bucks they can keep it..


Why does everything else in computer get cheaper except video cards?"

Law of supply and demand thing. High end gamers will pay to have the hottest thing the day it's available. If you stay just 1 generation back the prices are reasonable. It happens with all the high visibility parts like cpu's and hard drives as well.

Jim

i'll stick with my All-In-Wonder 9700 pro. does the job in unreal ii, gun metal and the rest of the games (so far).
and i paid only $400 CAD for it (i won't pay $699 for a video card anyways).

"499 bucks they can keep it.."

as always - tell them to turn on AA and AF to full - then come back with a test!


it is better cause thry went back to DDR-I - which allows a 256bit where as DDR_II is limited to 128, this is why they can get 27g memory bandwidth as opposed to 16.


Beside if i was to spend the $700 canadian for it, i would rather get the 256mb 9800 that are out for $799 canadian.

Count me out then till then come in around 350 or under.

I paid less for my CPU, Motherboard combined.

Still can't figure that one out.

Another thing, dont forget NVIDIA is huge in on DOOM III - what are the chances the preview bench has been optimised for NVIDIA cards? As someone else had mentioned, the 9800 gets 10fps on doom III over on Hard's review............. i am doubting that for some reason...


Also, again, when u turn up AA and AF over 4x, ATi 9800 kick's arse

"As someone else had mentioned, the 9800 gets 10fps on doom III over on Hard's review............. i am doubting that for some reason..."

They forget to read the second page. The problem is in ATi's Catalyst 3.4 drivers (which haven't even been officially released yet), when 3.2 was installed instead better results were seen. HardOCP conveniently forgot to mention the fact Cat 3.4 is prerelease software in their article as well...

"i'll stick with my All-In-Wonder 9700 pro. does the job in unreal ii, gun metal and the rest of the games (so far).
and i paid only $400 CAD for it (i won't pay $699 for a video card anyways)."

Please tell me where you got your AIW radeon 9700 pro for 400$ ! I want one!!

Heh, well... I've got 1 thing to say about this post:

Got you all outta the woodwork today in reply now, didn't it? lol... no doubt!



* And, I agree with you all that the costs of this is too much for me to practically use/need, right now @ least.

(Heh, not that I wouldn't want to have a rig like a Dual Intel Xeon with the best DDR Ram type out there + this NVidia GeForce 5900 "ultra" vidcard... again, no questions there from the results I've been seeing online about this board that I'd want one... but, that cost... man, it is up there this round!)

APK

P.S.=> Still... Doom III is coming, & I know this system won't handle it @ full tilt settings @ least as it stands right now here machinery-wise... yes, I'd love to have one, but like everyone else here, it would be a question of ca$h outlay... were I going to do this card, I'd have to pair it right with a new mobo + ram as well. I'm going to wait out costs myself, too much other plans with $ right now in the works is why... apk

I'm still not entirely convinced that Doom 3 is going to be worth the outlay for a machine capable of running it. The fact that it's an id game is a big minus against it for a start as id have never really been ones to make games strong on anything other than graphics. Also, nothing I've seen or heard about it so far says it'll rise above and beyond everything they've done before so I'm left with the feeling it'll be the same graphically spectacular, but on the whole quite shallow dross they've been producing for the last ten years. I'm not looking forward to Doom 3 and I'm definitely not basing any upgrade plans on it.

"I'm still not entirely convinced that Doom 3 is going to be worth the outlay for a machine capable of running it."

Agreed... I'd have to get my hands on it, & listen to some folks with enough machine to play it & not lag really bad either. I'd have to like the game enough, like yourself, above all else.

There's alot of talk that the First Person Shooter genre is burning out, & it might be right... what else CAN they offer you now, except for wilder graphics effects, etc.?

(Also, I think I'm getting past the 'craze' of buying every latest vidcard, mainly because I'm a Quake III Arena guy & can play that more than acceptably @ present cranked up settings-wise on video (2x on AA & AntiIsotropic @ 1600x1200)).

Games, NEW games, are what do me in... everytime. If there will be a game to do that again for me, it'll be Doom III personally for me.

John Carmack stated someplace along the line that this WILL be his final work for around a good 5++ year mark once this releases. That might be enough for me to shell out on another absolutely state-of-the-art setup once more, but that'd be about it I'd wager in the era of 32-bit'ness...

"The fact that it's an id game is a big minus against it for a start as id have never really been ones to make games strong on anything other than graphics."

OH, on that... I dunno! They have a tendency to 'revolutionize' things more than anyone else that I've seen in a decade ++ now, alot of other companies 'bite off/pinch' their style by licensing their gaming display engines, & vary from there on them plot-wise & such & even spice up those engines a wee bit more ontop of it's native abilities.

"Also, nothing I've seen or heard about it so far says it'll rise above and beyond everything they've done before so I'm left with the feeling it'll be the same graphically spectacular, but on the whole quite shallow dross they've been producing for the last ten years."

It does look awesome though... every bit as good as the Quake III intro where Sarge is teleported away to do battle in the arenas. BUT, this time, that good looking INTERACTIVE in the game itself... to me, that's tempting, but also costly! I know I'd have to put out for a new setup speed-wise on CPU, RAM, motherboard, + this vidcard no doubt in particular judging from the results on it I keep seeing online site after site now.

"I'm not looking forward to Doom 3 and I'm definitely not basing any upgrade plans on it."

Heck, you're probably all set up then... if technology doesn't push your gaming needs, then you probably have more than enough system as is right now then.



* Me? I dunno... I'll have to see the game being played actually, for it to 'grab ahold of me' (lol, my wallet actually) to shell out for $1,000 worth of stuff again to update/upgrade to play it FAST!

APK

P.S.=> However, again, if I do? This board probably will be the vidcard I score to do it, I do like what I'm seeing & how it performs, but that COST... man, outrageous & usurious! apk

would not suprise me if it is so over hyped it end up being like unreal - yeah wicked graphics - but general game play is boring and crappy!


i assume there will be multiplayer? - i would hope so!

Answer me one thing:

Who in the world is going to be running Doom 3 with an ATI 9700/9800 and a Geforce FX 5900 at MEDIUM QUALITY? heh. Definetly not me.

2D is still inferior
Noise rating is still inferior.
Ansio/AA are still inferior.
Driver quality as compared to Nvidia is debateable....

Definetly not a card for me...and I also think that I'll "punish" Nvidia for releasing the 5800 by not buying the 5900. heh.

i'll stick with my All-In-Wonder 9700 pro. does the job in unreal ii, gun metal and the rest of the games (so far).
and i paid only $400 CAD for it (i won't pay $699 for a video card anyways).

Please tell me where you got your AIW radeon 9700 pro for 400$ ! I want one!!


Some freind hoocked me up with someone who works for ATI. Ati's head office is in Toronto area, so "Torontonians " could do these manouvers when it comes to ATI cards!

I think if you work for ATI you get discounts. Too bad i can't be working in too many places, but i could find some good friends who could get me the parts for lower prices. (direct from supplyers or manufacturers)