Half-Life 2 vs. Halo 2

I'm so sorry, I jusy had to do it now that they are both released. Please post with every vote, I don't want fanboys posting here and saying things along the line of 'Halo 2 is shit' and 'Half-Life 2 blows' etc.

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I'm so sorry, I jusy had to do it now that they are both released.
 
Please post with every vote, I don't want fanboys posting here and saying things along the line of 'Halo 2 is shit' and 'Half-Life 2 blows' etc.
 
Give reasons for your answers.
 
My personal favourite is Half-Life 2, I find the story scarily submersive. Whilst progression in the game is actually fairly linear, I feel that it is done in such a style that it doesn't fell like you are following a set path.
 
The graphics and sound ARE the best I've ever seen/heard. The system I played it on wasn't the pinnacle of gaming machines either, but it did meet the preferred(not minimum or recommended) requirements. The shear variety of sound is good, and it makes full use of surround sound (5.1 at least, not sure about higher sound formats). I won't go on about the graphics lest you have a few hours to spare reading my ramblings.....
 
Counter Strike: Source is THE best online FPS I have played. My repetoire of games played online includes; UT(all), halo 1 + 2, Deus Ex, BF1942, SW:Battlefront, and more (sorry if I missed any obvious ones, these are the first that came to mind).
It combines the fast paced/frantic action of UT with the necessity for tactical awareness on games such as Halo and SW:Battlefront.
 
But most importantly-the game engine. The physics really are like real life, the first time I played it, I dragged a rusting bicycle up the stairs of an appartment block (while scraping the walls) and smashed some poor man's window in his flat with it. I then pulled his TV out of the socket and threw it out of the window, where it smashed on the street below, genius! 8)
The way that barrels roll, pipes burst and interactive scenery behaves, it's like objects have AI.
 
If you disagree, then argue your case for Halo 2, but remember everyone's opinion will differ.
 
 
BTW, I'm not a salesman working for Valve, honest!

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Originally posted by ross_aveling:

Quote:Originally posted by Mutasem Semakieh:
Quote:Ill still be checking this site sometimes but Im not posting ! That can only be a good thing after posts like this:
 

Quote:Rekyrts, *sigh* STFU you dumb ass, ur a noob that dont know what a good game is, half life 2, wait, actully half life 1 was better than quake 2 and ur cheap ass UNreal STFU!!!Anyhoo. I've just this minute finished HL2 and what I said before still holds true; first class right until the end.
 
BTW - Make sure you watch after the credits.
 
 
Amen to THAT

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Originally posted by Mutasem Semakieh:

Quote:AND WTF IS A IMO????In My Opinion
 
Originally posted by Mutasem Semakieh:

Quote:AND WHY DO U THINK HALO 2 HAS MORE POP UPS THAN HALO 1??When you say 'pop ups', are you in reference to the post I submitted about pop-in? I don't think there is more pop-in, I know there is more pop-in. Newer games are doing it a lot more often now. Some games do it better than other games and you don't notice it, but Halo 2 does it pretty badly, especially during cinematics. Star Wars Galaxies and Killzone are pretty bad too. Even my friend who is a Halo fanboy is disgusted by the bad pop-in of Halo 2. In order to save on framerate, programmers have developed a means of detailing ... What happens is, as the camera gets closer to an object, the object will swap with bigger better versions that have higher poly count and higher texture detail. So, when a camera does a cut from across the room to suddenly next to the shoulder of a character, the character's higher detail model swaps and that is where you see the pop-in. There are things you can do to make this better like calculate ahead of time to see if the camera will be there and swap before the camera moves, but Halo 2 doesn't do that and therefore you experience the visually jarring pop-in. It isn't as evident during gameplay because the camera isn't doing cuts from one place to another. Nonetheless, there is jarring pop-in in Halo 2.

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Does half life 2 have any kind of pop ups or pop ins ??
 
and can you tell me why do programers trying to save the frame rate and other shit like that?
 
and can you explain the reason why most of games wasnt able to fix the zik zacks problems when u look at hard corners or a face in a game
 
and can you tell me about ur carrers in makign video games?
 
and can u sign me ur auto graph ?
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Originally posted by Mutasem Semakieh:

Quote: Rekyrts, *sigh* STFU you dumb ass, ur a noob that dont know what a good game is, half life 2, wait, actully half life 1 was better than quake 2 and ur cheap ass UNreal STFU!!! 
NOw can u tell me half life 1 story, felix tell me story dogg!
 
and can any one tell me how can i become a seinor member, cause i dont like just the word ''member'' next to my amazing awsome name! MUTASEM SEMAKIEH
 
you dont know a good game when you see it... and no IMO HL sucked i didnt see what the big deal was... it do not show anything new graphic wise.. and i thought the game play was like every other shooter out there... unless you love the opening cart ride that took FOREVER... and let me Guess you hate DooM1,2,and Final? or how bout Wolf3D. b/c if you cant see how good quake2 was... then you do not need to play another FPS...(did you ever play quake2)

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I did play all quakes BUT quake 3....
so whats ur point? quake 2 right now is more fun to play than halo2? or half life 2?? who gives a damn about an old classic game huh??
WHATS UR GOD DAMN POINT??? I DONT GET PEOPLE THAT THINK LIKE YOU!!! QUAKE 2 IS OLD ..... GET OVER IT!!!! GOD DAMN!! ''EVERY GAME THAT IS WAS GOOD LONG TIME AGO IS NOT AND I REPEAT ITS NOT BETTER THAN GAMES WE HAVE NOW!!! an ugly graphics game with the crappiest game play ever is NOT better than halo 2 or half life 2.... thank you.
 
Half life 1 was a lot more challenging and more fun than quake... I remmber some parts in HL 1 that i still wanna play even though the game sucks by now. and I LOVED DOOM... I LOVED QUAKE 1.. I LOVED DUKE.. but I didnt get to play quake 2 till after I played half life 1... and i gotta admit that half life 1 was a kick ass. ehh im done... im gonna go beat San Andreas.
 
Feel free to qoute me if u want

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Originally posted by Mutasem Semakieh:

Quote:I did play all quakes BUT quake 3....so whats ur point? quake 2 right now is more fun to play than halo2? or half life 2?? who gives a damn about an old classic game huh??
WHATS UR GOD DAMN POINT??? I DONT GET PEOPLE THAT THINK LIKE YOU!!! QUAKE 2 IS OLD ..... GET OVER IT!!!! GOD DAMN!! ''EVERY GAME THAT IS WAS GOOD LONG TIME AGO IS NOT AND I REPEAT ITS NOT BETTER THAN GAMES WE HAVE NOW!!! an ugly graphics game with the crappiest game play ever is NOT better than halo 2 or half life 2.... thank you.
 
Half life 1 was a lot more challenging and more fun than quake... I remmber some parts in HL 1 that i still wanna play even though the game sucks by now. and I LOVED DOOM... I LOVED QUAKE 1.. I LOVED DUKE.. but I didnt get to play quake 2 till after I played half life 1... and i gotta admit that half life 1 was a kick ass. ehh im done... im gonna go beat San Andreas.
 
Feel free to qoute me if u want
what does age have to do with it??? just b/c its 'new' doesnt make it awsome or better.... i got board in half-life 1... theres more to a game then gfx... all gfx do is over hype a game... and yes im saying quake 2 is better then them... but its my opion not yours...

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Wow. Proper grammar (however the heck you spell it) is a thing worth using.

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Are you ok?? I just played quake 2 to see what ur talking about.. and its totally useless... you still play quake 2 more than half life 2?? HALO 2??!!! If games dont tend to improve graphics... then whats the point of playing? games are ment to simulate real life, amd if a game fails to that then even if it has great game play, it will suck, and who told you halo 2 doesnt have great gameplay? halo2 online is amazing, non stop action, using cars,tanks,hovercrafts, rifels, duals, sowrds, and all that great team work with amazing graphics. where was I? oh quake 2 here,, ammm it sucks!!

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I'm not going to argue most of those points, because to be honest you seem narrow minded and a fanboy, this isn't a personal dig, but your coments are extremely biased.
 
However u say games are meant to simulate real life? where does the dictionary say that?
 
 
Main Entry: 1game
Pronunciation: 'gAm
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English gamen; akin to Old High German gaman amusement
1 a (1) : activity engaged in for diversion or amusement : PLAY (2) : the equipment for a game b : often derisive or mocking jesting : FUN, SPORT <make game of a nervous player>
2 a : a procedure or strategy for gaining an end : TACTIC b : an illegal or shady scheme or maneuver : RACKET
3 a (1) : a physical or mental competition conducted according to rules with the participants in direct opposition to each other (2) : a division of a larger contest (3) : the number of points necessary to win (4) : points scored in certain card games (as in all fours) by a player whose cards count up the highest (5) : the manner of playing in a contest (6) : the set of rules governing a game (7) : a particular aspect or phase of play in a game or sport <a football team's kicking game> b plural : organized athletics c (1) : a field of gainful activity : LINE <the newspaper game> (2) : any activity undertaken or regarded as a contest involving rivalry, strategy, or struggle <the [censored] game> <the game of politics>; also : the course or period of such an activity <got into aviation early in the game> (3) : area of expertise : SPECIALTY 3 <comedy is not my game>
4 a (1) : animals under pursuit or taken in hunting; especially : wild animals hunted for sport or food (2) : the flesh of game animals b archaic : PLUCK c : a target or object especially of ridicule or attack -- often used in the phrase fair game
synonym see FUN
 
 
Note the synonym is FUN, therefore games should surely be something that one finds a fun diversion or fun form of amusement. Hence ur opinion of 'games should be realistic' is relative only to people of that opinion.
 
You mention that quake 2 is 'totally useless', it is a game which is meant to entertain, and it does this job, so hadsn't it filled all the requierements for it to be classed as a game?
 
The point of playing games that 'don't improve in graphics' is perhaps better gameplay, a old favourite, fuller storyline, better soundtrack, more longevity, or perhaps even nostalgia. I often have to stem a tear when I break out my Mega Drive 2 and play on Streets of Rage 2 and Desert Strike. Why? Because this is my personal preference and they were some of the first games I really got in to.
 
Halo 2 gameplay IS good, but all you need is a quick trigger finger and a pair of opposable thumbs to complete the game, because gameplay is repetitive and once the 'style' of combat is aqquired, then it all becomes the same. Yes, many games are like this, but they often break up core periods of gameplay.
 
Halo2 online is good, but definitly not amazing, yes there are lots of vehicles, and as a pro in halo and halo 2, only n00bs (people either new to halo or players who are unchivalric and do anything to win, EG killing their own teammate so they can 'capture the flag' and get much more points) use vehicles because it requires less skill to kill some one in a vehicles as it does with other weapons.
 
Team-work? games such as halo 2 don't require team work at all, and most players dont work as a unit anyway. Amazing graphics? Yes, they are good graphics (if a bit on the shiny/glossy side- lots of bright colours all the time)but they aren't groundbreaking or awe inspiring, since they are limited by the xbox's technology (not that this is sub-par in gaming nowadays).
 
However, I am not slating Halo 2, as I like, enjoy and think it is a very good game, but I am doing this to try and open ur mind just a tiny bit.
 

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"looks like 90 % are PC freaks and wouldnt spend a penny on a console"
 
Why do fanboys like these, think PC gamers can't afford a console?
 
High end PC = $3000 range
 
Xbox = $200
 
Which one is cheaper, I wonder
 
And with PCs you can customise the graphical power you want to suit your taste

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WAFFLER...
your review was fine till I read the part where u saying ''halo dont require team work'',,,!!!!! let me just tell you that your %100 worng on that. first, I never play with people that i never played with, i dont just go to matchmaking, and to put me with noobs that dont know shit! when i play, i bring the people that ive played with to my room, then we all get ready and play games like ''team skirmish'' or ''team slayer'' ! we dont kill each other for the points. when ur talking to me, ur talking to a really professional halo player. we as a team, and of cource me<< are pretty good halo 2 players that dont play with levels lower that 20 or so. Let me guess... your a noob arent u?? dont be mad, theres nothing worng with being a noob in a game. as u said before.. your a keyboard and mouse player, and those people never get to beat people like me or my clan. my account is VEGAMO send me a friend request in xbox live so ill teach u a lesson that u will regret.

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and could some one tell me wtf is that review above me means??
I have a PC you dumb ass, my pc can run half life 2. But no matter how good ur pc is, u will always have crashing problems or other problems that dont have to do anything with ur PC power. Im gonna wait till half life 2 comes on xbox then play it. try to re-read some thing before you start making comments. its still early for consoles to be compared in (hardware) with PC's, but give it a couple more years and see how pc is gonna be left behind in gaming. alot of people right now are starting to quit on their Pc's and starting to play consoles, soon you will see how its all gonna turn the other way around and consoles will rule the world in gaming. I think that I dont like to wait Installing a game, I dont like crashing problems or any other file problem, I dont like typing to my friends while playing, I dont like to wait for windows to come up in order for me to play, I dont like that we cant rent pc games, we bought a 2700$ PC 5 month ago, and I played small games like diablo 2 and STILL crashed on me! wtf?? dude take ur pc and get the hell out of here. Right now, there are more console players than PC players, soon you will see whats gonna happen.

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I'm going to say it right now. As far as I'm concerned, the best FPS ever, on either PC or Console is Deus Ex (the original).
 
Best story & gameplay plus new adaptations of the genres, not to mention a great redesign of the unreal engine. Even if it is a little long, treated as episodes, it has great replay-ability.
 
Now with this argument that is getting very silly - consoles do have major advantages, however in order for them to remain viable games have to be written in older technology or you upgrade your console entireley and put the old one in the kids room or use as a boat anchor.
 
PC games are able to take advantage of new technology and older technologies can use the games by turning down the details etc.
 
Now, for people who don't play FPS but rather RTS or TBS or solitare a console is not the go. This is why PC still is the best all round games platform as it is not limited to shoot/fly/drive/fish etc games.
 
That being said, i'm still waiting for prices of HALO2 for Xbox on eBay to come down to the $AU40 that I'm willing to pay for any games.

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So because you play with people you know, and you play with people as a team, that means that team-work is a pre-requisite does it?
 
No, it doesn't.
 
I don't have xbl, so I can't although I do play around my friends house every now and then and do pretty damn well. I'm not argueing about who is a better player, it seems to me that you want to play me at halo and beat me because I have a differing opinion to yours. Or perhaps it's to cover up the fact that you realise your comments are immature and you want to 'beat' me at something else?
Again, I could argue with all of your points, and I hope that the mature people on here will agree, but I'm not going to due to frustration caused by you. The controller vs. m+kybd has nothing to do with my arguement.
 
Deus Ex is hell of a game, and still grabs my attention now, but saying it is the best fps ever? to be honest, I think that's kind of an overstatement. One of the best? yes. An all time classic? definitely. However, and I am sorry to say this, Deus Ex just doesn't cut it against the 'big boys' anymore. Saying that, Deus Ex 1 over Deus Ex 2 anyday!

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I may have gone a little over the top with "best FPS ever" to the point where I sound like a 16yo fanboy.
 
I'm playing it again for the sheer fun. My absolute favourite weapon is the fully upgraded sniper rifle which gives you point and click assasination power with no sound, recoil or sway.
 
Favourite levels are the New York ones because of the real feel of them. Having been to some of these places when I was on holiday makes it even cooler. Same feeling I get playing Max Payne.

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Originally posted by Mutasem Semakieh:

Quote: its still early for consoles to be compared in (hardware) with PC's, but give it a couple more years and see how pc is gonna be left behind in gaming. alot of people right now are starting to quit on their Pc's and starting to play consoles, soon you will see how its all gonna turn the other way around and consoles will rule the world in gaming.  
LOL! This has been stated as early as the SNES (at least to my memory). PC's are still here and still going strong. Your statement about people quitting PC's is wrong too. Really. What are they going to do? Throw out their PC and just play console? NO. In reality the one's who do "switch" to console will play most of their games on console and still play some games on PC. When their PC get's old, they buy a new one, with improved CPU and graphics power they then may primarily use PC, use both console and PC equally, or still use console primarilly.
 
It is still quite a ways away until the "console" "replaces" the PC.....and the PC equivalent will always be around no matter what kind of "console" you have in the living room.

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Originally posted by Mutasem Semakieh:

Quote:and could some one tell me wtf is that review above me means??I have a PC you dumb ass, my pc can run half life 2. But no matter how good ur pc is, u will always have crashing problems or other problems that dont have to do anything with ur PC power. Im gonna wait till half life 2 comes on xbox then play it. try to re-read some thing before you start making comments. its still early for consoles to be compared in (hardware) with PC's, but give it a couple more years and see how pc is gonna be left behind in gaming. alot of people right now are starting to quit on their Pc's and starting to play consoles, soon you will see how its all gonna turn the other way around and consoles will rule the world in gaming. I think that I dont like to wait Installing a game, I dont like crashing problems or any other file problem, I dont like typing to my friends while playing, I dont like to wait for windows to come up in order for me to play, I dont like that we cant rent pc games, we bought a 2700$ PC 5 month ago, and I played small games like diablo 2 and STILL crashed on me! wtf?? dude take ur pc and get the hell out of here. Right now, there are more console players than PC players, soon you will see whats gonna happen.
 
I think there are more games for the PC than all the consoles combined man. Besides, most console games get ported to the PC anyways ROFL.
And crashing problems? My PC doesnt crash. Your PC must have bad sectors on its HD or isnt a clean install.
Know where to get your hardware man. And PC's will never get left behind, because thats where the consoles get their technology from. The Xbox has all the workings of a PC. Heck, you can even use the XB hardisk on a PC. Consoles and PC will always improve, but I doubt what you said of "consoles taking over" will materialize .

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Because I am PC user, I choose Half-Life 2.
+: Havok physics engine. Awesome graphics.
-: some Steam problems with offline mode at first and decrypting took ages...
 
Big plus was it actually worked smoothly on my computer, even it was below minimum requirements.
 

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Yeh, there is hell of a lot of tweaking you can do to make HL2 run on lower-end PC's. (I got it working on 128mb ram, 64mb intergrated gfx, 1.5ghz processoer 8) )
 
But am I the only one who doesn't have problems woth steam? I think it works well considering the massive load on their servers, and decrypting only took around 30 mins. Which for several Gb's of files is acceptable IMO.
 
However, as I understand it some people were not fully aware of the requirements of HL2. IE an internet connection.
 
I read in some gaming forums a while ago that some guy bought HL2 without knowing this so cant play it. And in another forum, someone brought a brand new 56k modem, because they are d/lding the entire game of steam (a US buyer).
 
We worked it out, and it would take 12 solid days to d/l it all.
This may seem skinda funny to some of u, or perhaps that it is his own fault bcoz he didn't fully research into it.
 
However, imagine (I AM stereotyping here, and I AM NOT using a real situation to my knowledge) if a single mum went out and bought that for her son, thinking she was giving an amazing present, only to find out that this isn't a very good internet speed to d/l HL2. So her son can't play on it. (well it lightly plucked my heart strings if it has happened!)
 
I think they neede to be more active with their supply of information regarding the whole HL2/steam thing.

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Originally posted by Waffler:

Quote:I got it working on 128mb ram, 64mb intergrated gfx, 1.5ghz processoer254mb ram, 64mb agp, 800mhz.
 

Quote:Yeh, there is hell of a lot of tweaking you can do to make HL2 run on lower-end PC's.Agreed.
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